Mon 25 January 2010, The Guardian

Edlington two have not got off lightly

By Marcel Berlins
It was an hour after the judge had passed sentence on the two Edlington boys that I overheard, on a bus, the inevitable slice of public reaction. "Can you believe it, they only got five years?" I briefly considered leaning over and correcting him. "No, they didn't, they were given an indeterminate sentence. They can't be released before the five years is up, but are likely to spend much longer than that in custody."
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